Public sentiment is largely negative towards the nuclear threats issued by Pakistani Army Chief Asim Munir, with strong disapproval directed at both his remarks and the US for allowing such statements. Many commenters advocate for India to assert itself more strongly and emphasize the importance of diplomatic solutions over warfare. The discourse reveals a complex mix of anger, skepticism, and nationalism, along with some ridicule towards Pakistan's military capabilities, reflecting broader concerns about regional stability and political mismanagement.

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That statement suits the head of a terrorist organisation, not a field marshal. It's just sad.

powerpuffpopcorn

I wonder to what degree he feels emboldened to say this because of recent friction between the US and India.

Hartastic

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Pakistan survives on the support of China and the USA. Both arch rivals support this rogue nation without any real productive workforce or natural resources just to inhibit the growth of India.

So, Pakistan's officials feel as if they have some power or so. But in reality they are just in a situation like a dog is fed and maintained to harass the neighbours, and the dog feels that it is fed due to love from the owner.

No-Awareness1172

Submission statement:

**Nuclear threat:**

&gt; From Tampa, Florida, US, Pakistan's Army Chief issued a nuclear threat saying that if his nation faced ruin, "we’ll take half the world down with us".



**Terroristic threat to indian billionaire:**

&gt; "I had a tweet posted with Surah Fil (a chapter from the Quran) and a picture of industrialist Mukesh Ambani to show them what we will do next time."

He was openly admitting to using a religious reference and an image of a prominent Indian businessman as a threat symbol.



**Wierd admission of Pakistan's failure since independence compared to India after partition:**

&gt; "India A Shiny Mercedes, Pakistan A Dump Truck Full Of Gravel'

Basically saying India has more to lose



**Indicating military dictatorship?**

&gt; “They say war is too serious to be left to the Generals, but politics is also too serious to be left to the politicians.”

After getting most of the airbases rendered unoperational, most of the fleet grounded, loosing 5 jets in air, 1 surveilence aircraft, multiple losses on ground, loosing their new and best Chinese air defense system (reason for so many USA visits because they don't want to rely on the Chinese air defense system), all of these after their terrorist assets got pounded all over Pakistan, the Pakistani general gave himself accolades of field marshal.


Even the USA adminstration has started directly dealing with the Pakistani general instead of civilian government. 

More sources: 
https://www.business-standard.com/external-affairs-defence-security/news/pakistan-army-chief-asim-munir-us-visit-nuclear-threat-india-indus-125081100331_1.html

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/well-take-half-the-world-down-pak-army-chiefs-nuclear-threat-to-india-from-us-glbs-2769228-2025-08-10

peoplecanbestupid

Interesting thing to say when you don't have a second strike capability.

ChuchiTheBest

Something I've wondered for years now: say a rogue state *did* want to take down the world but only has a few nuclear missiles. How do you pull it off? Perhaps misdirection— you know, poke the bear on its other side to get it to attack the other guy

Would targeting *another* random nuclear state as an act of trickery do the job? I wondered of this back in 2017 during that year's North Korean scare (remember that wacky August and September with the "fire and fury" and the H-bomb test?). If they wanted to destroy the USA, why not target Russia and trick *them* into a full scale "counter"attack?

Now there must be holes in this to make this a silly hypothesis. Surely they could simply track any missile. But the idea was "if there are already cities getting bombed and vaporized under mushroom clouds, would they even have the option of waiting for more information to confirm just where the warheads came from?" The offending party doesn't even need more than a few nuclear weapons as long as they have ICBMs they can launch as dummies for the "follow up".  It's one thing to hear that a far off state received a random nuclear alert one random morning, and an entirely different one for the president and chief of staff to get an alert that a major city and military installation just got wiped out by a nuclear explosion and dozens more (dummy) missiles are in the air heading for more cities and they need to make a decision on the spot whether to respond.

Like I said, if I'm wrong, please correct me.

Yuli-Ban

Sasquatchii

Aid for Pakistan should be contingent on them disarming.

Drummk

The world is looking and Pakistan and North Korea and likes it so much, that it wants more nations like Iran to be the same (Probably much worse).

Cannot-Forget

Empty rhetoric if there ever was. This guy has an overinflated sense of how bad a regional nuclear conflict in India would affect the rest of the world.

The consequences would be more in the political ramifications of a nuclear weapon being used than the actual effects of that use. Although such a war would be devastating to Pakistan and India, it would not affect the rest of the world nearly as much.

Command0Dude

Trump's new bestie. Trump will take down half the world, incl. the US, with his policies and Munir the other half.

Dean_46

Wild statement to be honest, but I am increasingly concerned of the role for Pakistan in the world going forward. They have through their own economic mismanagement been left behind their rival India. And that gap is only going to increase in the years ahead. At least from what we can deduce now. The threat of India will always remain and there is clear indication that India is arming and abetting separatists in one of their regions (Baluchistan). They have Taliban as their neighbor as well. They are completely drowning in debt with no end in sight. How much longer till they flip the switch and go berserk on their neighbor?

Ok-Palpitation-797

Did anyone ever check R/Pakistan it's by far the cringest place. Not sure if it's full of nationalist 12 year olds, but that's what it feels like.

Hannibal-

Now we know who win the last war between Pakistan and India :)

vovap_vovap

As all the sources shared here are of Indian origin, it would be prudent to point out that these remarks are not independently verified [as per Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/india-decries-sabre-rattling-after-pakistan-army-chiefs-reported-nuclear-remarks-2025-08-11/):  
  
&gt; Munir reportedly made the remarks at a black-tie dinner hosted by a Pakistani-origin businessman in Florida on Saturday, where he spoke to a crowd of more than 100 people. Reuters could not independently verify the remarks.

Xasf

Is there any actual evidence that this was said? 

So far only the Indian media is reporting this and they are quoting “reports” lol

lostinspacs

these remarks have not been verified. So this is just hearsay.

kalaalo

Only India media reporting it based on heresay without a journalist present at the convention. Sounds like typical Indian fake news.

Cicerotulli

I mean, it’s pretty standard rhetoric for a country in conflict with a conventionally stronger nation. Obviously they will state that they’ll use nuclear weapons in a situation where they are badly losing a conventional war. “Fire and fury” bluster.. hardly interesting enough to warrant the many posts about it. Imo

I will say, the Pakistan / India conflict online discourse is more ridiculous than even most. You see a lot of propaganda like statements from both groups, while the two nations’ rulers just do fake wars every once in a while when they need to win an election. At least they’re efficient about it and don’t drag everyone into Putin/Netanyahu/Hamas type situations. Just a few quick shots, everyone can claim victory, and we can get back to life.

nonquitt

Let’s be honest - Pakistan is a joke. India to a slightly lesser extent. Let them fight each other and don’t worry about it.

GoogleOfficial

The entire subcontinent politics is encircling around egotistical personalities. Look at modi ji as well. Had he not attacked Pakistan, not take a fight with Trump on war negotiations this general and Pak army would have been discarded by people of Pakistan but thanks to our Modi sarkar he is thumping his 46 inches chest and is making 2nd visit to US. Congrats to India for making him so great.

fowms

So basically he threatened a Nuclear fallout in US? Orange man is really taking it all down

Prize-Alternative847

Interesting meeting … that too on American soil

JuggernautOk1132

Pakistan went from "boycott israel" for palestine to become the bitch of USA- The israel enabler.

Supreme_kaii

In an Indian sub, why Pakistanis are trying to defend their army personnel? 
जा के अपने sub में बोलो, यहां नहीं। अपना घर देखो, हमारा पीछा छोड़ो।

And about his threats, only time will tell.

For now, the world knows how Pakistan requested for a talk via DGMO, when India ignored phone calls from US.

dheerajd1

Whatever happened to CPEC and Pakistan becoming “china’s israel” lmao

Pakistan dumped China in a heartbeat when trump gave them some attention

karanChan

Pakistan is literal lapdog of USA and those dumb  the audacity to call us obsessed. I guess no more Save Palestine too?

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chickenkebaap

Corruption has gone to unprecedented levels in the US. You can buy influence with the Trump admin with his crypto coin. Pakistan is reported to have also engaged 10 lobbying firms in the US. Seems to be working well for them that you can now make nuclear threats from US soil.

krakends

funny how people from Pakistan are flooding India sub with their stupid comments. These are the same people that shamelessly use India's name in their businesses abroad.

Randomwanderer_1234

Well, that's what happens when you do business with a military that its influenced by religion rather than common sense and genuine patriotic pride.

No_Independent8195

Fit-Ruin-5568

Abe chaddi lhareedne ke paise nahi haininke pass, bhik mangte rahte IMF se, and saying we can bring half world down. His balls is also in mortgage with IMF. Alag hi hai yeh bhi .. Zha*thank you.

Cultural_Bat9098

&gt;Guests invited to the function were not allowed to carry cellphones or other digital device, and no text of the speech was circulated. ThePrint reconstructed the contents of the speech from the memory of several participants who were present.

From the article

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Loraleysoon007

Pakistan is famous for licking testicles of US.

Trump k tatto ka supporter Munir hee hai.

krieginc

So Pakistan is now allies with US and China both? Meanwhile our country has deteriorated relations with US and China and only has good relations with Russia, who seems to be struggling? That’s scary.

PartyDrama08

He is an illegitimate leader of Pakistan by imprisoning the most popular leader imran

just like modi is the illegitimate leader of India by stealing elections 

They may be our enemy country but life ain’t black and white 


All of you lose your thinking capacity the moment they say Pakistan

There are crooks in Pakistan just like India

We don’t have to defend our crooks just because they are Indian 

All I said was both nations have illegitimate leaders and how can they claim to represent their countries !!! 


This is exactly how BJP stops anyone from thinking Pakistan Pakistan Pakistan


It is not in our fucking top 10 problems

Poverty unemployment pollution health corruption education 

Many many more


They sell you Pakistan churan in India and India churan in Pakistan


Both nations deserve to be shitholes as long as they can’t even find their true problems/fight 


They can suck dolund for favors 

Life_Machine_9694

False brvado, nothing to see.

Pakistani army is more reasonable than Indian army(at least the officer cadre), their officers seem better trained than Indian ones who talk like crazy on tv shows. lol.

Ok_Librarian9746

This is most likely a load of bullshit. The Print has no evidence to back up any of this, most likely a desperate attempt to divert attention from #VoteChor

bhodrolok

Munir compared Pakistan to a dump truck. Lol

https://i.redd.it/tiieedv83aif1.gif

Gods, please try it. It would be so fucking funny.

https://preview.redd.it/6obthoxkhbif1.jpeg?width=1079&amp;format=pjpg&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=8fe1782941f96cc0fdc30c1dc5f6de70813e0d97

Responsible_Gain_188

All things aside, the Trump man wants his image to be of a peaceful guy and has literally begged for a Nobel peace prize on multiple occasions… it’s shocking that such violent threats and open show of nuclear power are being made from the USA and the US is allowing it. As for Pakistan, they have been under an existential threat for decades now …not because of India, but because of their own failed government and policies. So it’s better to talk of reform rather than missiles. Because India doesn’t keep its missiles and rockets for Diwali and we too can make such threats… but we choose not to. That’s a real distinguishing factor in judging who the real aggressor is. The statements here, if true, should be kept as a record of how Pakistan functions, how low they are willing to go and how insecure they are. It’s no longer a secret and open for the world to see

Blue_Eagle8

B7TMANN

Arre waah. Neighbours also have a Jumlebaaz.

fangsn

India’s “non-aligned policy” has seen many view it as a unreliable partner in the west. Case in point would be its tip toeing of line of the Ukraine-Russia conflict. On the other hand Pakistan has deeply worked with the west at various points in its history. For example the U.S. used Pakistani air bases to launch U2 spy planes to spy on the USSR, it was largely due to Pakistani facilitation that U.S.-Chinese rapprochement took place which completely changed the landscape of the Cold War, there is also obviously the massively important Pakistani role in helping arm the mujahideen against the Soviets in the 80s, and finally Pakistan was very effective in the early years of the war on terror is capturing Al qaeda operatives who had fled across the border from Afghanistan. So there’s a deep history of cooperation there with Pakistan that just isn’t there at all with India and Pakistan has been much more willing to lend the west a hand when asked unlike India. There’s also the fact that the Pakistani military which has essentially run the country since 1958 is massively pro American, so there has always been a pro American force in the Pakistani leadership.

Thats-Slander

India is not interested in the kind of "alliance" American foreign policy people expect

Significant-Luck9987

Confident_Access6498

It's always been about maintaining a balance of power in the region afaik. If India was the inherently weaker nation, I think it would have been the other way around.

vote4boat

Why commit to one side or the other if they don't have to? Especially given that India isn't going to commit either.

GottmanRuleEggs

I’m pretty sure Pakistan has been given up on.

It’s geopolitically relatively recent, since we needed them for Afghanistan, but they’re pretty much buying all their equipment from China for the last several years and relations are kinda crumbling across the board.

Of course, that could swing back the other way; wouldn’t be the first zigzag in the US-Pakistan relationship.

PG908

The US doesn't want a strong India either. Supporting Pakistan serves its own interests and helps keep India in check.

veerKg_CSS_Geologist

Pakistan is basically the Turkey of South Asia ,  strategically annoying but too useful to ignore. Honestly, it is better than India from a great power perspective… because it’s weaker,  easier to push around, more dependent, and always ready to play ball (for a price). 

I wouldn’t be surprised if some genius finally gives up on it one day, because just feel  like it   LMAO.

medicsansgarantee

Given India's and Russia's shared history and cooperation, it's unlikely America could fully draw India into its camp. America was ready to bomb India and was murdering Indian nuclear scientists before the USSR stepped up to protect them in 1971.

MonsterkillWow

&gt;India be more interested in aligning

That is not realistic, India has a historic policy of "non-aligment". They were the most important member of the non-aligned countries block during the cold war. They are not showing any signs what so ever of wanting to change their historic position.

MarzipanTop4944

India is not willing to be another "Ukraine" for the U.S. to throw its people into a meat grinder war against China.

India ideally wants a mutually beneficial relationship.

Also, if the US gives up on Pakistan, then China's Belt and Road Project will happen a lot faster. 

Right now within Pakistan the ruling elites are divided between Pro China and Pro US factions. 

Pro US factions do everything they can to delay BRI projects in Pakistan whereas Pro China factions attempt to accelerate them.

Losing Pakistan would also lose US drone and surveillance bases near the Iranian border as well. It would also give Iran a direct line to China making oil transfers to China a lot easier.

StepAsideJunior

The OP is forgetting that Pakistan shares a 300 mile border with Iran, which the US has been opposed to since 1979. That proximity alone maintains American interests in Pakistan.

Given Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal and its role in nuclear proliferation (how North Korea got the bomb), it comes down to LBJ’s maxim that it is better to have them inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.

WhoNotU

I see a few reasons:

* There is a lot of work required to turn India into a complete enemy of China and a reliable ally of the USA. India benefits from its ambiguous position with Russia, China, and the USA. This allows it a wide range of diplomatic and economic moves that it would lose by aligning fully with one side. I think US diplomacy understands that and doesn't believe it's worth the trouble to try turning India into a US-aligned country.
* Pakistan has an unreliable but essential intelligence service for countering Islamist terrorism. Cutting ties with them would make the fight against global Islamist groups operating in Pakistan even more difficult than it already is.
* Pakistan joining an Iranian axis would be a significant threat to US interests in the region.
* Unlike Russia, China is not a threat to most of the Asian continent (aside from a few places like Taiwan or maybe South Korea). So there is no need to create an anti-China alliance like NATO in Europe. China is more often seen as a competitor than a threat to US interests. However, with Trump and the ongoing militarization of China, that could change in the future.
* I don't think USA is really concerned about India becoming too powerful, and there is no scenario where Pakistan get submitted by India (that would just turn the entire region in a warzone for decades).

Separate-Courage9235

U.S.-Pakistani relations have certainly cooled but there’s clearly some ties left after forging a nearly six decade long alliance 

It also helps to have your foot in the door in the event of a collapse of the Pakistani government. Hundreds of nuclear warheads in one of the most mountainous regions in the world is something I’d want contacts in a military apparatus for

elykl12

Then Pakistan falls directly into the hands of China. Hell the whole reason IK was removed was due to US pressure over Pakistan/IK trying to develop relations with Russia.

FederalSandwich1854

It’s simple a broken collapsing Islamic state with nukes is way scarier to the world order then a crazy corrupt half functioning atomic Islamic military autocracy

ExampleNo2489

Trick-Expression-727

A foreign analyst once said there are three governments inside Pakistan . The civilian government which is usually very friendly with the United States. The military regime which is more nationalist anti India but a reliable partner for the U.S. The only issue with the military establishment with Pakistan is they do destroy democratic institutions and the stability of the country. Military coups inside a nuclear state is not the best combination in the world.

Lastly the ISI intelligence community which has often helped the Taliban and Al-Qaeda . The ISI is most guilty of betraying the U.S the most to the point where the ISI was often tipping off the Afghan Taliban whenever America shared info about potential airstrikes in Afghanistan.

We should be friendly with the civilian government and cautiously friendly with the military but extremely hostile to the ISI.

I also recommend reading , Directorate S by Steve Coll.

combrade

In case China and India would do business that would benefit both sides

Dragon2906

China is already a handful for the US to deal with. Imagine there's another China. Do you think the Indians would bow down to the US when they get strong and powerful themselves?

No-Satisfaction-275

Cause US has realized India is not only untrustworthy but also militarily weak and cannot compete with China at any level so the need to pick sides has gone down relatively fast

moongroup

The US would benefit more from war in this region than anywhere else on earth. A war involving India, Pakistan, and China would consume military resources at such a high rate that all three would be weakened terribly.

ExcellentWinner7542

Isn't Pakistan more aligned with China than USA? Didn't they give the military equipments of USA to China for reverse engineering?

Confident-Ask-2043

IvanThePohBear

The US continues to prop them up because of the fear of a broke country selling their wmds or otherwise doing something heinous with them.

It's the real concern with the UK as well, beyond just seeing a long time and stalwart ally being destroyed from within by choice.

India doesn't really factor in as much as they would like to think, in almost all matters.

Goaterush

uncannyfjord

Because the USA wants to use India to reach its goals and for manufacturing, but at the same time not let India grow too big so that it can challenge usd and military authority 

If Pakistan collapses, who gets the nuclear weapons?

nash3101

pakistanis are employed to do this whole day ... running narratives in the comment sections

The West  especially the U.S.  doesn’t stop India from acting against Pakistan out of concern for Pakistan. They do it because they *need* India stable. If India gets dragged into a full-scale war with a nuclear-armed Pakistan, it could suffer major damage — economically, militarily, and politically. That weakens India and removes a key counterweight to China in the region.

It’s not about fairness; it’s about balance of power. The West wants India strong *enough* to check China, but not so aggressive that it destabilizes South Asia. If India gets wrecked, China gets a free hand. So, the West pressures India into restraint not because they’re “against” India, but because they’re playing long-term chess.

Plastic-Glove-6224

Containing China has been ineffective for decades. It is recommended to do more of your own things. The foundation of a country lies in its internal affairs. Indians may debate less and do more practical things, even if it is just picking up garbage, which is also a contribution.

SmoothBaseball677

India like China, is a potential for a superpower. The US will not allow India to rise because India interests will always be for india.

Just like siding with some Indo Pacific countries is important to contain china, siding with Pakistan is important to contain India

Ancher123

India isn’t going to bow down to the USA so not an ally, but not a foe. As it should be. Pakistan is a weak state that can be manipulated.

Smart_Spinach_1538

Have you considered that India is the country that might need countering?

Would Saudi Arabia remain friendly to the West if it occupied Iraq and Iran?

machinationstudio

It was neutral in the last dispute btw India and Pakistan and has largely allied with India against China.

If you want to ask why the US dosen’t cut off Pakistan completely, it’s likely due to a mixture of liking Modi only slightly more and foreign policy inertia.

spinosaurs70

India’s untrustworthy. They’re basically the kid who will start shit and then run to their bigger friend for protection. While they need the protection, they will suck up to whomever provides it but won’t hesitate to stab them in the back.

RoutineTry1943

there are two gov in USA ONE IS PENTAGON ( PRESIDENT ) AND ONE IS CIA 

CIA USE PAKISTAN FOR RUSSIA ,INDIA, AND CHINA SO THAT THEY CAN  BE AGGRESSIVE ON ANY OF THEM ANYTIME .

CIA HAS ITS NUCLEAR TESTINGS IN PAKISTAN TOO AND AS WE KNOW THE WHOLE NUR KHAN BASE IS OWNED BY CIA  NOT A SINGLE PAKISTANI IS ALLOWED THERE WITHOUT PERMISSION.

AND CONTAINING CHINA IS NOT EASY BECAUSE CHINA IS INTERVINED IN GLOBAL TRADES AND GLOBALISATION.

Abject-Astronomer761

India is untrustworthy and does not stick to its word. Pakistan does

puppiesandrainbows1

Oddly enough, both India and Pakistan, have a common adversary in the PRC. 

It's militantly atheist and continually expanding it's territory.

It doesn't matter what you believe. Even if it's borders.

Right-Influence617

This is far from the first time that these two countries have fought each other, but hopefully this one doesn't escalate into a full on war

j-e-m-8-8-8

My college professor 20yrs ago said that's the place for WW3 to start

CeleryCommercial3509

Weird, i have friends there... I plan to meet them. I pray it's not getting worse...

Pfirsich90

I swear there is some diabolical thinktank out there that has deduced nuclear winter is the only way to solve global warming so are pulling strings to get nations to inch closer to some violent population control comboed with terraforming.

Don't get why people think WWIII will start.

Zero reason for any country to escalate beyond diplomacy. A nuclear exchange would be horrible, but only they would be suffering from such attacks.

Sabre_One

Another war is just what the world need the least right now. Scumbags like Putin are probably very happy that war is the new norm now.

tbdwr

I feel like it's a situation similar to Israel &amp; Palestine.  You have two countries, that are being egged on to hate each other driven by religious and central government figureheads.  All the while they sit in safe bunkers or separate countries, piling up money and power while they play war with the lives of peasants they could give zero fucks about. 

When the bullets and bombs start flying, the countries will cry victim and ask for aid.  While the leaders continue to live comfortably and immune from consequences. I don't know if I believe in hell, but if there is hell; and these paper tiger generals aren't there the gods of the universe failed creation.

fisetylime

Honestly, it makes me very uncomfortable with Islamist ideology and its spread. I know that there’s always back-and-forth in conflict between groups, and I am aware that India has acted in ways that have caused harm to civilians, but I also understand that when Islamists fight it is a never-ending conflict.

YogiBarelyThere

The US State Department has acknowledged awareness of Pakistani Army Chief Asim Munir's controversial remarks made during his visit to the US, wherein he implied a willingness to engage in nuclear warfare if Pakistan faces existential threats.

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